Honestly, i use miricle grow in veg cycle and it works better then my foxfarm nitrogen and my humbolt grow. also I like using the 10-10-10 which now is just 10-10-0. thanks to the government in veg. Everyone seems to disagree with the miricle grow products but i stand behind them. Also i noticed that MG has a fert for blooming and roses now with low nitrogen and higher potassium and phos that im going to try on some outdoor plants this year. I like to save the foxfarm, humbolt and advanced nutes for indoor use. Only because im a cheapskate.